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Welcome to going there on the
prosperity News Network. My name

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is Michele Holliday. Today we
are welcoming to the show, Dr.

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Shiva Ayyadurai. Dr. Shiva is an
engineer, a scientist and

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entrepreneur, a best selling
author and an inventor. He holds

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four degrees from MIT. His PhD
is in biological engineering,

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which is very interesting. At
this time in history. Not only

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is Dr. Shiva incredibly
accomplished, he is also a

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notoriously outspoken champion.
When it comes to freedom of

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thought, education and speech,
he filed a historic federal

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lawsuit against Twitter and the
United States government over

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censorship of the citizens of
the United States. It was a

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first of its kind in a battle to
uphold the Constitution of our

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country, in the face of a
government and a media, which

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has all become part of a swamp
of corruption. Dr. Shiva,

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welcome to the show. How are you
today?

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Good to be here. Michelle, how
are you?

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I am great, we are thrilled to
have you here, it's going to be

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an incredible interview, because
we're going to dive deep into

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what is called the swamp of
Washington, DC. But before we go

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there, I want to take a moment
to mention that this is the 40

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year anniversary of an invention
that outside of the telephone

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changed the way that every
person on the planet

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communicates. And that is your
invention of email, when you

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were just 14 years old. And I
think one of the most remarkable

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things about this, Dr. Shiva is
that you actually have a US

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copyright on email. And I'd like
you to take us there. How did

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this all come about?

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Yeah, so I think Michelle, it's
interesting, because the

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invention of email took place in
the triangle of a small medical

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college in Newark, New Jersey,
infrastructure, I was exposed to

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a loving family, and then a
mentor. And that is a triangle

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of where all great innovations
have always come from at the

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center of that was everyday
people who had a very

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interesting problem, which were
secretaries. Some people may

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remember, in the old days, old
days, meaning prior to the

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advent of really the World Wide
Web, the way that office is

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communicated in that time was
through to means if you went to

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an office in the 1970s, and an
office could be a small office

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or a large office, the Office of
the President, Office of the

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Prime Minister, or the office in
this case, which was the medical

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college in Newark, New Jersey,
where there were 1000s of small

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offices, every office had a
researcher who was always a male

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or a doctor and a secretary. And
in those offices, way people

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communicated among all the other
offices was two ways. One, the

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hardwired phone, right? The
landline phone, you pick up the

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phone, you call another doctor,
another researcher, or something

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called the interoffice mail
system. And the interoffice mail

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system was paper based. And the
heart of that interoffice mail

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system. And every in every
office was the secretary always

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typically a woman if to
understand in those days, women

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essentially had the few job
opportunities, right? They could

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separate from being a housewife,
it could be a secretary, nurse

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or teacher. And the secretaries
in this office environment, were

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really the heart and soul of the
communication system. So if a

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researcher or a doctor in one
office wanted to communicate to

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another office, he would go to
the secretary. And he would

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start dictating, he would say,
Alice take it take the memo, and

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he would say to Dr. Jones, from
Dr. Shiva, right? And he would

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say subject, right, the subject
is we want to hire Michelle,

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right? And the topic would and
then he would say attached is

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the resume of Michelle, we're
thinking of hiring her for a new

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position in surgery department,
blah, blah, blah, and he may

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even then CC carbon copy the
director of HR and maybe blind

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carbon copy his superior. Now
how did all that take place?

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Because the Secretary in her
desk got a thing called a

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typewriter. She would start then
typing up this memo as he was

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dictating with all those fields
to from subject was a very

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structured format, and then
attach the resume and then put

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it in the drafts folder. The
next day, the the her boss would

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review it, redline it, put it
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she would edit it. And when she
got the final version, she'd put

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it in the outbox, and she
typically put it in an envelope

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that you would tie with a string
and then she would send it out

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to everyone but literally on her
desktop. She had a typewriter,

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the inbox, the outbox folders
that a trash can below her. You

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see what I'm saying? All of
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components it was a system she
It wasn't just simply, you know,

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sending her a text message
that's very different. Now, in

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those in 1970, at this medical
college had these huge mainframe

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computers. And who used these
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typically old white guys who
were scientists with their

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little pocket protectors. And
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using these computers was a very
difficult task, you have to know

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programming, it wasn't simple.
So the concept, if you can take

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yourself back to that time was a
concept of a secretary, a woman

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ever using the computer was
unheard of. Right? Because she

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wouldn't be training in computer
programming. I think I broke it.

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Right, just thinking about
people today have technical

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difficulties using machines. But
this was exponentially these

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people users had very differing
expertise, right? So the concept

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of her using or the computer was
unheard of. So the notion was,

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if you looked at the interoffice
mail system, it was a system it

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wasn't just simply writing a
sticky note and sending it to

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someone right now in those old
mainframe computers, you could

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send again, you had to know
programming, very simple, short

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messages. At best. That was it.
But I was given the challenge of

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taking this entire interoffice
mail system, the inbox, the

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outbox, folders, Blind Carbon,
copy the memo, and emulating

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that in the electronic version
in the digital world, which had

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never been done before. And the
way I got that job as a 14 year

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old kid was, I was very, very
excited. My parents had just

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come to the United States in
1970, this is 1977. So I worked

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hard because I valued all the
things that the US had to give

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us. And so by the time I was
14 1314, I'd finished calculus,

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which only the high school
students took. And I got

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accepted to a computer science
program at NYU 40 students out

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of the entire country were
selected to learn computer

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science, and seven different
programming languages, digital

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hardware, so my mom would drop
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Station, I would take the train
and at five or 6am study until

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8pm, came home and I graduated
top of the class, this was at

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NYU, back in 1977 78. And when I
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high school subjects left. But a
very wonderful woman in high

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school, who was a teacher fought
with the administration of the

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high school system. So I could
travel to Newark, because I'd

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gotten a job there to work as a
full time research fellow,

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originally doing research on how
why babies were dying in their

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sleep, using computer, looking
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do AI methodologies to predict
when the baby's sleep would stop

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by watching this when the baby's
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sleep patterns. While I was
working there, I got this other

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opportunity because I was very
good at programming to convert

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this whole inner office paper
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electronic version.

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All right, just extraordinary.
Let me ask you a question. How

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did you know at 14 to copyright
this? Because I know, I've heard

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a lot of people ridicule other
people who say they've invented

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something.

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Yeah. So that's such an
interesting story. Because what

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happened was when I finished
this system, and this wasn't,

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this was a lot of work. I used
to work until 2am In the

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morning, and I played soccer and
I played baseball, I wasn't just

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a nerd. So to me, this was a
fascinating opportunity, right?

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So it was play, and it was fun.
But I created this entire system

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and 50,000 lines of Fortran code
in 8k of memory, I had to write

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all sorts of other stuff to even
get this working. And it was

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used throughout the university.
by the Secretary. It wasn't just

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a little toy, it was actually
used. So I was the software

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engineer, I was customer
service. I wrote all the

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documentation. And Dr. Michelson
who's still alive, he remembers

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when I had to give a seminar in
front of all of these scientists

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and esteemed doctors. And he
said wasn't a 50 year old man

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who was a 14 year old kid. And
and I call this system email, em

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aihl, which was not an obvious
term in 1978. In fact, I

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invented not only the system,

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but I also created the term. Did
you guys hear the term?

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Well, I should have trademarked
it. But I system only allowed

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five characters, because the
operating system only allowed

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five characters. So it wasn't an
obvious term. So I named it

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email, I wrote all the code to
capture every feature we see in

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every email system today. One
One of the Westinghouse Science

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Awards, which is today known as
a baby nobles of the time they

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give to young inventors. And it
was featured in a local

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newspaper. And then when I came
to MIT in 1981, it was on the

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front page of the MIT
administration. They highlighted

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three of the 1000 kids who came
into MIT that year and I was One

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of them. And I was brought up to
be very humble. I saw this

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article and I moved on with my
life. The in the winter of 1981.

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I had been elected student body
president at MIT for the

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freshman class. And I got
invited to the president's home

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in his mansion for this
Christmas dinner. And

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he said you'd sorry, it would
that be Ronald Reagan at that

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time.

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president of MIT at that time
was guy called Paul Gray. Oh,

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however, he was a president of
MIT. But he was interesting

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enough, he was on the White
House Science Council for Ronald

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Reagan. So he said, Shiva too
bad. You can't patent software.

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The legislators in Washington
were so far behind. They didn't

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even know what the hell software
was. They thought it was people

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writing some music or some print
or something. But why'd I didn't

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know was in 1982 years after I
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States, laws were changed where
they allowed you to use

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copyright, which could protect
written text, or a novel or a

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movie script. They changed the
laws that you can use copyright

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law to protect software
inventions. Dr. Gray, Paul Gray

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president of MIT said, Shiva,
you should protect your

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invention using this computer
software act of 1980. So that's

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so I wrote away there was no
PDFs, no internet, you have to

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write away for the copyright
notices. My parents, neither I

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were wealthy, like Bill Gates,
his parents to get high on

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lawyer. So I filled out all that
paperwork. And you can see I'm

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the inventor of email site on
August 30 1982. At that time, I

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was 17. And young, 17 year old
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first United States Copyright
Indian American kid for the

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invention of email. So I have
the legal thing. I called it

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email. And I wrote all the code.
There's no absolute controversy.

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It's black and white. Now the
thing was, I didn't promote it.

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I wasn't a PR specialist. I was
really interested in medicine,

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and continued my work at MIT
went in and out, did four

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degrees at MIT, started many
different companies did many

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other inventions, for which MIT
featured me on the front page

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for many other things I did
starting echo mail, which was a

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company that automatically
analyze email, the work I did

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with cytosol, the work I did
with winning my Fulbright to

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integrate eastern and western
medicine, right. So I was the

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darling of MIT the golden boy.
Now interesting enough, in 19. I

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started in 2011. This is almost
33 years later, after inventing

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email, my dear mom was dying of
a horrible disease. And in a

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suitcase, she had saved all that
material, all the computer code,

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all the tapes, all my wards, and
three months before she died,

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she presented it to me in a
Samsonite suitcase. And I was

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like, Well, I forgot about all
this. The science editor, Time

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Magazine guy called Doug ameth,
the only journalist who actually

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did his job went through all of
this. And he wrote a beautiful

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article on November of 2011 33
years later, saying the man who

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invented email, and he said,
Look, this is email, and no one

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had any problem with that. And
then that month, the Smithsonian

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and the Computer History Museum,
two different museums called me,

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they said, Wow, we didn't know
this took place. They wanted all

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my material. So I donated it to
the Smithsonian, the National

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Museum American history. On
February 16 2012, there's a huge

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beautiful ceremony held, where I
donated all the materials was a

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big honor. Right. And it should
be it should have been an

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occasion to celebrate the
American dream. And in fact, on

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that day, a young Washington
Post reporter brought me into

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the Washington Post studios and
they filmed three videos talking

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about innovation. And she wrote
an article called Dr. Shiva Dre

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honored as the inventor of
email. Right after that, a bunch

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of liberal elitist academic
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they already had written the
history of email. He's like

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writing the history of man. Like
a skull was found a new skull

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was found in Africa, which said,
Hey, email really came from over

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here. They had written a false
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That email was came out of the
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complex. So right when my stuff
when the Smithsonian was a bomb

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went off. And you could see the
vitriol people saying this curry

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stand Indian should be beaten
and hang Gawker Media, which

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called me an asshole, a dikkat,
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here I was running a new company
cytosol. And teaching at MIT,

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one of the most popular unlike
Elizabeth Warren, I wasn't

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charging anything for the
course. So you see all this

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vitriol. And you see all the
attacks all my four degrees at

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MIT didn't mean anything, all
those awards. And why was that?

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Because the invention of email
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occurred in Silicon Valley. It
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and a small Medical College in
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significant because it shows
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independent of big military, big
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or corporations. All right. And
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it was massive defamation was
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in collusion with these academic
historians. And it's all

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documented. And one of the
corporations called Raytheon

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right here, who had on their
website claimed they were the

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inventors of email using the
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a nerd. All he had done was done
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narrative. And now what I didn't
know was when my stuff went in

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the Smithsonian, that company
was getting government grants in

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cybersecurity claiming they were
the inventors of email. So my

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stuff went in it basically
destroyed their marketing thing.

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So they're the ones who
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prostitute historians, because
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become now, their pay to play.
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found a lawyer, Charles harder,
who had just won a major

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defamation lawsuit for Hulk
Hogan, who Gawker Media had

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called all sorts of names. And
you can read about that 100

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million dollar lawsuit. So I
went to Charles Gawker Media was

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a company had written all these
horrible things, and harder,

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looked at all my stuff, by the
way harder later on, became

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Trump's personal lawyer and won
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for Trump and against Melania.
Also, but he said, Jesus, you

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lawsuits that were defamation
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Yeah, so but harder took on my
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very few lawyers do. I mean, he
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because he saw the merit of the
case. And right after we filed

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our lawsuit for 35 million
Gawker Media claims bankruptcy.

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The Karma was I get appointed
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committee to sell Gawker. All
the three defamatory articles

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are taken down, and all the
quote unquote, the liberal

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elites say, Oh, Dr. Shiva is
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First Amendment does not allow
you to defame other people, say

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false statements. So we won, and
I was awarded about a million

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bucks. None of the media wanted
to report on this. But during

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that period of 2012, to 2016,
another liberal elite, Walter

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Isaacson, who wrote the book on
Steve Jobs, writes a book right

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in the middle of this quote,
unquote, fabricated controversy.

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There is no controversy. The
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it exposed the military
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that they are not the sources of
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innovations come from bottoms up
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by the way, a 14 year old boy
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almost identical it's it's very
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Yeah, it's RCA stole his stuff.
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product which was able to patent
only on the 19th year, after 20

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years of litigating Did he win,
but he only had one year patent

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life. I think he died an
alcoholic it took 60 years

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finally to give him the credit
he deserved were statues built

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in Washington. Now had my had I
invented MIT had had Philo

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invented him. Philo invented TV
at MIT or Silicon Valley, he

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would have been heralded point
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Franklin, Idaho. I did it in a
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New Jersey before I came to MIT.
And this is the heart of the

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issue. In fact, a senior
Wikipedia editor wrote to me he

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goes, Dr. Shiva, I attempted to
give you credit on Wikipedia and

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I was attacked. He goes, your
article on email is more

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volatile than the abortion
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Amendment Second Amendment,
which are very volatile articles

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on Wikipedia, if you try to
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why the reason is not the facts
about the invention meal.

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Clearly I invented it. The
reason is why was a controversy

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created. And that leads to one
recognizing that and this comes

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to Walter Isaacson who is a
complete scumbag. They Herald

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him as some great theorist, he's
you started the Aspen Institute,

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but he wrote we're in the middle
of this controversy. He writes a

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big book called the innovators
of the digital revolution. So

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almost someone commissioned him
to write that in the middle of

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this fabricated controversy. Now
you would think email is

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something is digital innovation,
right? So writes a big fat book

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on the innovators of the digital
revolution. In the middle, in, I

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think, in 2014, when I'm being
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fraud, quote, unquote, fraud,
and in that book, email is left

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out. Email is one of the most
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revolution and In all of the
inventors that he talks about,

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are all white people coming from
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institutions? Now it's not, it's
fascinating because he has

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everyone there, and you look and
if any person of color looks at

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this, it's like only white
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people from the military
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All other innovators are left
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are not part of the military
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also contributed. Yes. So the
real issue here is that the

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invention of email took place by
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multifaceted more than pilots.
It's a dark skinned Indian

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immigrant kid in Newark, New
Jersey, where nothing is

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supposed to come out of before
MIT. It is five levels of

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discrimination there. So what it
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the elites have created
brainwashed people to believe

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that all great innovations must
come from war, we go kill people

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somewhere, and then oh, we
should be happy or we go we

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should be happy you got Tang and
velcro or something, which by

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the way, didn't come from the
military either. So they

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brainwash people fund war.

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Because that was the narrative,
oh, email came out of the

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ARPANET bullshit, it's complete,
the biggest lie on the planet.

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And extraordinary, it takes a
lot of guts to ridicule or

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accuse someone of lying when
they're standing there with a

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copyright from the US government

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and the code. And the fact that
I invented email and the level

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of vitriol what's amazing. And
what's fascinating about these

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crooks is they try to this is a
liberal imperialism. Oh, well,

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no one person could invent
something so big as email

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bullshit. Philo did invent TV,
one person can do a lot. So they

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say always a collaboration. So
they try to steal your

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innovation, hijack it through
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Now I did write all the code, I
did invent it, if any

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collaborator there was those
secretaries, those women who

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were my customers. And it was
that the real triangle of

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innovation is a loving family, a
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That's where great innovations
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basically like genetically
engineered foods, they want to

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genetically engineer innovation,
which is to say it only can

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occur at MIT, it only can occur
at Silicon Valley. And why is

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that because billions of dollars
trillions, then flow to those

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centers of innovation. Now I was
paid when you looked at the

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total thing, I wasn't paid the
first year, the second year, the

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third year, I got paid a buck 25
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the cafeteria. And I was very
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most I calculate, maybe it was
three to $5,000. So if you take

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a little bit of money and put it
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you'll get more innovation. It's
like throwing seeds everywhere

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versus trying to genetically
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the economics of this. That's
going on. And the other thing is

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that the lawmakers are basically
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or scientists, and none of them
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never built anything. They don't
know what innovation is, they

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should have took 1994 until to
allow software patents. It shows

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how backward these legislating
legislators are compared to the

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founders of the United States,
who were inventors, Thomas Alva

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Edison, Franklin, even Lincoln
later on, and they knew the

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importance of patents and
protecting patents. And that's

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why the United States grew
because of the IP protections in

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this country. So we now have a
bunch of idiots who are in

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Congress, senators, congressmen,
and this is why you look at it

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economically. Innovation is
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modern world. And that is what
should be supported. So we're in

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a very precarious situation.
Because the invention of email

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should be a story that should be
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Everyone should know it was.
There's a picture of that I have

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on the website, who's this 14
year old kid? And it's not I

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mean, all those liberal elites
who talk about diversity and

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racism, they're the ones who
attack me. Isn't that

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extraordinary? Yeah. Ordinary
point. Exactly. So this is what

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it is the right wing anyone
quote unquote, the right wing,

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they all got the facts are black
and white. And the reason is

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because the left liberal elites
are the ones who want to decide

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who's an innovator who isn't,
what is racism, what isn't. The

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real racism is, here's the real
racism is that when I was at

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MIT, I was on the front page for
many things. So I was a model

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minority. So the liberal elite
institutions liked the model

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minority. But when I was not
willing to be a good Indian see

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the liberal elite It's like to
put people into nice little

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boxes. Or if you're a blonde,
you must be like this. If you're

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an Indian, you must talk like
this and sit in your meditative

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mode, blah, blah, blah, right?
And you surely will not fight

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back. Because you've been taught
about this Gandhian bullshit.

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And if you're Chinese, you're
like this, right? The real

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segregation is putting people
into these boxes. And if you

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step out of that box, and you'll
be beaten down, whatever it is,

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right, if you're from the south,
and you speak with the drawl,

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you must be a redneck, who wants
to kill all black people? Right?

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So they created these. And so if
you're an Indian, Indians can be

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good IT workers but they hit the
ceiling, they can't be known as

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great innovators, right? You
don't when an Indian child grows

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up? Who do they think about as
an innovator? They don't Oh,

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Thomas, Alva Edison. Now, if I
was blond haired, blue eyed,

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white skin, and I had done email
at MIT, and I have to really ask

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this question, if my last name
was Smith, or Einstein, I'd

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gotten every stamp. But they
have decided the set of people

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can do these things, and they'll
remain in that box. So what

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really bothered them Michelle
out of this was that I was not

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willing to be a good Indian,
meaning I was vocal I fought

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back that goes out of their
model that the liberal elites

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want to put everyone in you
saying they're the biggest

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racist. They're the biggest
segregationist.

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I was just gonna say this. This
is so upside down and twisted

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backwards. Because honestly,
conservatives, hey, achievement

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achievement,

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which is fantastic. That's
meritocracy. Yeah.

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laughs is more like,

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it's like, inclusion. By
inclusion. They mean, if I've

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done anything or not, no, no,

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no, it's even worse than that
is, what they're doing is they

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are going to decide what is
diverse and what is not diverse.

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They will decide what's included
and not included there actually,

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against real diversity. True
diversity is recognizing that

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innovation is in everyone's DNA.

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want to bring up this fact, it's

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so important when you have an
innovation and invention. It's

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part of you. It's really
something that inspires you and

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thrills you and look what I've
done. And as an individual,

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whether you're 14 or 94, for a
big corporation to come in, and

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then go after you and ridicule
you and call you names and put

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you down and turn that spark of
brilliance into almost an

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00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:38.970
ashamed kind of Oh, yeah, right.

438
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:43.020
Yeah, you nailed it. What was
interesting is, I talked about

439
00:27:43.020 --> 00:27:47.310
this in talks I give when I was
at MIT, when I came at 717. Even

440
00:27:47.310 --> 00:27:50.400
till now, I was outspoken
activist, I fought to make sure

441
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:54.900
more poor, blacks, whites, men
and women were able to come to

442
00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:59.220
MIT and there's huge protests I
ran. I fought for people of all

443
00:27:59.280 --> 00:28:01.740
color. I organized the food
service workers, I was always

444
00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:05.880
fighting for others. And when
this situation took place, no

445
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:10.620
one wanted to fight for me.
Because they would say, Oh Ha ha

446
00:28:10.620 --> 00:28:13.050
ha yo, you're saying you
invented email. It's like the Al

447
00:28:13.050 --> 00:28:16.020
Gore. I said, No, Al Gore didn't
invent anything. I actually did

448
00:28:16.020 --> 00:28:20.580
invent it was interesting was
1000s of phone calls came in to

449
00:28:20.580 --> 00:28:24.360
MIT asking for my firing. It was
incredible. And here, I would go

450
00:28:24.360 --> 00:28:28.200
into MIT teaching a course for
pennies. While I was running a

451
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.200
full time company on the most
popular elective course on

452
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.810
teaching students, a graduate
level course called systems

453
00:28:33.810 --> 00:28:38.880
visualization. And it was like
your degrees, you became a

454
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:43.770
pariah. And that's, and then I
had to reach down. I've talked

455
00:28:43.770 --> 00:28:46.860
to women who've been raped. And
they say, you get raped, you're

456
00:28:46.860 --> 00:28:49.680
made to feel as though you did
something wrong. I said, shit,

457
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.440
maybe I didn't invent email.
Maybe I'm lying. Maybe someone

458
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.410
else had invented it. So you go
through that. And luckily, I had

459
00:28:55.410 --> 00:28:59.580
a student in my class, very
smart student, Devin sparks. And

460
00:28:59.580 --> 00:29:03.870
Devin was so upset with what he
saw going on in the press. He

461
00:29:03.870 --> 00:29:06.660
went and literally lived in the
MIT library. And we went back

462
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:10.770
and we did research on every
article scientific paper written

463
00:29:10.770 --> 00:29:15.450
before 1978. Like maybe someone
else invented it. And lo and

464
00:29:15.450 --> 00:29:20.250
behold, I find an article
written by a guy called David

465
00:29:20.250 --> 00:29:23.940
Crocker, I should really be
called crock of shit. But David

466
00:29:23.940 --> 00:29:29.310
Crocker was a guy who claimed he
was the messaging electronic

467
00:29:29.310 --> 00:29:32.820
messaging expert of the time.
And he had written an article in

468
00:29:32.820 --> 00:29:37.860
December of 1977 for the RAND
Corporation, summarizing the

469
00:29:37.860 --> 00:29:43.770
history of work in electronic
messaging. And in that article,

470
00:29:44.430 --> 00:29:47.910
he had said that no one
essentially was going to build

471
00:29:47.910 --> 00:29:50.400
an email system and electronic
version of the interoffice mail

472
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.020
system because it was
impossible.

473
00:29:53.730 --> 00:29:56.880
And we found this article, and
we found it and we started

474
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.000
sharing it He gets scared and he
calls my old mentor to turn

475
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.390
Reddit tell me to calm down. And
he writes an article in the

476
00:30:03.390 --> 00:30:04.590
Washington Post

477
00:30:06.150 --> 00:30:10.110
saying, oh, one person couldn't
invent email was done by us. And

478
00:30:10.110 --> 00:30:13.890
I was there and all this
nonsense. So he was trying to

479
00:30:13.890 --> 00:30:18.450
conflict electronic messaging,
sending messages through

480
00:30:18.450 --> 00:30:20.820
electronic and electrical
devices with email, which is a

481
00:30:20.820 --> 00:30:24.750
system. I never claimed I
invented electronic messaging

482
00:30:24.750 --> 00:30:27.720
that goes back to Samuel Morse,
when did the telegraph, I

483
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:31.530
created email the system as we
know it today, period. So they

484
00:30:31.530 --> 00:30:34.320
were trying to take credit by
conflating it would be like

485
00:30:34.320 --> 00:30:37.530
saying text messaging is email.
When you log an email to the

486
00:30:37.530 --> 00:30:40.890
inbox, the outbox folders, that
entire system, which was come,

487
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.220
you don't see that in text, you
don't see that on Facebook?

488
00:30:44.520 --> 00:30:47.790
Yeah, they're all systems for
electronic messaging. But

489
00:30:47.790 --> 00:30:50.790
they're very different kinds of
systems. I invented email, I

490
00:30:50.790 --> 00:30:55.380
never claimed to take credit for
electronic messaging. So this

491
00:30:55.380 --> 00:31:00.030
was a nonsense that went on. And
it still goes on. If you try to

492
00:31:00.390 --> 00:31:03.360
update my facebook page until it
when I started sharing this

493
00:31:03.360 --> 00:31:07.770
again, you weren't my facebook
page was locked. If you try to

494
00:31:07.770 --> 00:31:12.240
go update the stuff on email
article, little by little people

495
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.640
are getting the truth out on
Wikipedia, because Wikipedia

496
00:31:14.670 --> 00:31:17.430
also serves the military
industrial, academic complex.

497
00:31:17.430 --> 00:31:20.700
They don't want ever other
truthful narratives to come out.

498
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.260
But the invention of email is
something every American should

499
00:31:25.260 --> 00:31:28.560
be sharing with their child.
Because it shows that great

500
00:31:28.560 --> 00:31:32.820
innovations do not come out of
MIT. I went to I had to go to

501
00:31:32.820 --> 00:31:35.880
MIT great, but I didn't even
know about MIT until two weeks

502
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:39.690
before I applied. I in the last
three years of my high school,

503
00:31:39.690 --> 00:31:43.020
my parents, we always went to
public school, moved to a very

504
00:31:43.020 --> 00:31:47.160
wealthy Jewish community. In
Livingston, New Jersey, very

505
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:50.370
nice people very wealthy. And me
and my sister were the only two

506
00:31:50.370 --> 00:31:53.580
Indian kids among 4000 kids in
my graduating class had close to

507
00:31:53.580 --> 00:31:59.640
1000 kids. And, and
unfortunately, those Jewish

508
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.620
students are brought to bring up
they're the chosen people of

509
00:32:01.620 --> 00:32:03.660
God, there was only smartest
people. That's what I grew up

510
00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:05.940
around. I think a lot of my
friends are Jewish friends, and

511
00:32:05.940 --> 00:32:06.330
they know what

512
00:32:07.620 --> 00:32:08.730
are your friends are like, hey,

513
00:32:09.540 --> 00:32:13.140
yeah, so the concept of I
remember when I won a math

514
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:16.650
award, and that high school, a
Jewish mother coming up and

515
00:32:16.650 --> 00:32:19.830
saying, you what you did is
nothing the teacher just given

516
00:32:19.830 --> 00:32:22.020
this big auditorium saying she
was the best student I've seen

517
00:32:22.020 --> 00:32:25.680
in 30 years. And she goes, my
son, Eric could have done that.

518
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.490
But he chose not to work hard
that year. So this was a so no

519
00:32:29.490 --> 00:32:32.310
one told me about MIT and my own
high school. There's a lot of

520
00:32:32.310 --> 00:32:35.460
jealousy. Even though I won
every award, I was an athlete

521
00:32:35.550 --> 00:32:39.300
scholar, randomly. My mother had
helped these two women who were

522
00:32:39.300 --> 00:32:43.320
homeless. And she led my mom was
always helping people. She said,

523
00:32:43.320 --> 00:32:46.890
you could say at my home at our
when we had a little one room

524
00:32:46.890 --> 00:32:49.620
basement apartment, you could
stay there. And one of the women

525
00:32:49.620 --> 00:32:52.710
had a friend who was this crazy
mathematician, and he said, oh,

526
00:32:52.710 --> 00:32:56.520
you should go to MIT. And he's
the one who brought the MIT

527
00:32:56.520 --> 00:32:59.790
application and said, I should
apply. And I didn't even know

528
00:32:59.790 --> 00:33:03.060
what it was. And I thought it
was a mental institute is and

529
00:33:03.060 --> 00:33:05.520
Massachusetts Institute of
Technology. I didn't want to

530
00:33:05.520 --> 00:33:09.810
apply a few days before the
application was due. He wouldn't

531
00:33:09.810 --> 00:33:13.200
leave my home until I filled it
out. I filled it out got in. And

532
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.540
then my high school said, oh,
yeah, you should go there

533
00:33:15.540 --> 00:33:20.130
because they get the ratings you
say. But it wasn't like my high

534
00:33:20.130 --> 00:33:23.700
school was supporting me to go
to MIT. So when I came to MIT

535
00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:26.490
wasn't like I was really into
MIT. I had learned so much in

536
00:33:26.490 --> 00:33:29.250
high school, I became really an
activist, I learned political

537
00:33:29.250 --> 00:33:32.430
systems theory, or in fact
developed it, you know, so

538
00:33:33.120 --> 00:33:35.850
that's what was interesting the
invention of email in some ways.

539
00:33:36.510 --> 00:33:40.140
They didn't understand that I
would fight back. They I wasn't

540
00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:42.420
into laying the Indian and
shaking my head and sitting

541
00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:45.630
under a lotus tree on a lotus
leaf and your banyan tree right?

542
00:33:45.750 --> 00:33:50.010
So that was what the liberal
elite racist really are about.

543
00:33:50.550 --> 00:33:54.390
Put you in a box. Indian people
can be customer service reps and

544
00:33:54.390 --> 00:33:57.960
be it workers but you can't be
like a Thomas Alva Edison or

545
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.560
Mozart that's preserved for
these people go to the elite

546
00:34:01.560 --> 00:34:02.430
institutions.

547
00:34:04.110 --> 00:34:07.710
Everything is systemized, it's
really seems to be like It's

548
00:34:07.710 --> 00:34:09.690
like robotic almost it puts you

549
00:34:09.690 --> 00:34:12.270
in well, you want people in
boxes. It was a Michigan

550
00:34:12.270 --> 00:34:14.430
mechanic, by the way, who
created the automatic control

551
00:34:14.430 --> 00:34:17.130
system for the windshield wiper
in his basement, who MIT

552
00:34:17.130 --> 00:34:20.220
professors. Yeah, to MIT
professors went and took it from

553
00:34:20.220 --> 00:34:23.910
him. So the rial and the reason
this is done to the earlier

554
00:34:23.910 --> 00:34:28.650
point, to me, the divinity
within everyone comes through

555
00:34:28.650 --> 00:34:33.000
innovation and creativity. So
when you say only these people

556
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:36.270
can innovate, and you can't,
that's like a modern caste

557
00:34:36.270 --> 00:34:39.690
system. But I grew up in India,
like only the Brahmins can

558
00:34:39.690 --> 00:34:43.470
create, only after you go to MIT
or Harvard, and you're dropped

559
00:34:43.470 --> 00:34:47.520
out dropping out as cool.
Zuckerberg is in the gates, you

560
00:34:47.520 --> 00:34:51.090
have to go to their institutions
of power, and you get anointed.

561
00:34:51.600 --> 00:34:55.350
And then you can be free to be
branded as a great innovator. Or

562
00:34:55.350 --> 00:34:57.990
you can grow up in Silicon
Valley. Like Steve Jobs or

563
00:34:57.990 --> 00:35:00.690
Wozniak like you see after being
one of the their centers of

564
00:35:00.690 --> 00:35:03.480
power. It's all about the money,
Dr. Shiva, right? Where The

565
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:04.440
Money flows,

566
00:35:04.590 --> 00:35:08.250
the money, and it's a lot of
money, right? definite threat.

567
00:35:08.550 --> 00:35:11.130
But I want to talk about I want
to shift gears just a little

568
00:35:11.130 --> 00:35:15.090
bit. Because I want to if you're
free to do so talk about that

569
00:35:15.090 --> 00:35:19.770
federal lawsuit that you filed
against Twitter and the United

570
00:35:19.770 --> 00:35:23.100
States government. How did that
start? When did it take place?

571
00:35:23.130 --> 00:35:27.870
What was their defense? And this
is only if you're free to

572
00:35:27.870 --> 00:35:29.490
discuss this at this time?

573
00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:33.000
Yeah, what I can do is I can
talk about that. And I'll, I'll

574
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.120
talk about the solution that
we've created, sort of broad

575
00:35:36.120 --> 00:35:38.160
level, you nosing at the
invention of email, I came to

576
00:35:38.160 --> 00:35:41.790
understand innovation as a key
to really transforming the

577
00:35:41.790 --> 00:35:42.240
world.

578
00:35:43.530 --> 00:35:48.570
You can't, you have to claim
this, they don't understand for

579
00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:52.530
humanity, for humans to
understand that they are free

580
00:35:52.530 --> 00:35:56.400
and open to create these
brilliant inventions. Because

581
00:35:56.400 --> 00:36:00.120
number one, if you say, you
won't really be recognized for

582
00:36:00.120 --> 00:36:04.440
it, you will be ridiculed for
it. That does have an effect

583
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:08.280
upon people who invent things
and want to present it. This

584
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:12.180
happens in the medical industry.
And it happens in the energy

585
00:36:12.180 --> 00:36:15.240
industry. And it happens with
all kinds of people, cars that

586
00:36:15.270 --> 00:36:20.790
run on water, or people that
have cures for cancer, or

587
00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:24.660
because what it does is it runs
up against big money. And so you

588
00:36:24.660 --> 00:36:28.320
have to be able to say, as an
individual look at my brilliant

589
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:29.670
invention. What do you think?

590
00:36:29.850 --> 00:36:32.850
Yeah, that's why they basically
created the situation that I

591
00:36:32.850 --> 00:36:36.840
have no choice but to come out
of surfing and claim it I never

592
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.920
wanted credit for. But now that
you attacked it, there is no

593
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.470
choice but to take the credit
that's well deserved. You see

594
00:36:43.470 --> 00:36:46.560
what I'm saying? Yes. So I
journeys, you ensure an

595
00:36:46.560 --> 00:36:48.720
innovator you're always
innovating wasn't like I needed

596
00:36:48.720 --> 00:36:51.270
the invention of email to define
me, you know, I invented the

597
00:36:51.270 --> 00:36:55.980
first system for artists to go
online and it 93 create, we

598
00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:58.290
created a whole arts community
called Arts on I was featured in

599
00:36:58.290 --> 00:37:02.850
The New York Times 1993. At the
same time, my second life with

600
00:37:02.850 --> 00:37:06.420
email was creating an entire AI
system to automatically analyze

601
00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:10.350
email and route it, I grew that
to $250 million company, I did

602
00:37:10.350 --> 00:37:12.960
it originally for the White
House, I want to competition,

603
00:37:13.110 --> 00:37:16.080
every major company behind here
we have our data center would

604
00:37:16.080 --> 00:37:19.020
route their email our technology
to figure out the attitude, the

605
00:37:19.020 --> 00:37:22.110
issues, automatically calculate
and route it, we created what's

606
00:37:22.110 --> 00:37:26.100
called email management. And
then recently, I've created a

607
00:37:26.100 --> 00:37:30.750
technology for automatic for
mathematically, using the

608
00:37:30.750 --> 00:37:33.960
computer there to eliminate the
need for animal testing, where

609
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:36.990
we can model biological pathways
on the computer, and we're

610
00:37:36.990 --> 00:37:40.560
creating new medicines it's
inside to solve is that company

611
00:37:40.590 --> 00:37:44.700
and even more recently, after
and I'll talk about the lawsuit

612
00:37:44.700 --> 00:37:49.260
after I ran for office, we may
do it again, I realized that was

613
00:37:49.260 --> 00:37:51.630
really needed is to go beyond
this left right narrative. And

614
00:37:51.630 --> 00:37:53.400
we prayed it was called the
truth, freedom and health

615
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:58.680
system. It's a platform, a
technology platform that teaches

616
00:37:58.680 --> 00:38:02.910
people systems science, which is
what the elites learn to

617
00:38:02.910 --> 00:38:05.580
manipulate all of us, but the
same science of systems can be

618
00:38:05.580 --> 00:38:09.900
used to free us. And if we don't
learn the science of systems,

619
00:38:10.050 --> 00:38:12.360
it's like the elites have a
nuclear weapon to subjugate

620
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.600
people. And people are walking
around bows and arrows. The

621
00:38:15.600 --> 00:38:18.000
science of systems can be used
to understand your body as a

622
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.130
system. Everything in the
universe is a system.

623
00:38:20.250 --> 00:38:23.730
It's truly the science ordinary,
the entire universe is a system,

624
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.240
right? And I solar system. And
once you understand that, and

625
00:38:27.240 --> 00:38:30.510
you understand you're being
grouped into a system, it opens

626
00:38:30.510 --> 00:38:30.720
you

627
00:38:30.720 --> 00:38:33.810
up it real, right. So I've
created that science. So anyone

628
00:38:33.810 --> 00:38:36.840
can understand the nine
principles of every system in

629
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:39.810
the universe, then we've created
tools that you can understand

630
00:38:39.810 --> 00:38:43.140
your body as a system, and use
it to actually go beyond any

631
00:38:43.140 --> 00:38:46.530
diet. So this has been sort of
the 50 year journey. And that is

632
00:38:46.560 --> 00:38:49.470
a truth for them. health.com.
And we can do a whole thing on

633
00:38:49.470 --> 00:38:53.070
that. But it's a way that people
can go beyond left and right.

634
00:38:53.070 --> 00:38:56.190
And now we have over 360,000
years, just globally, about a

635
00:38:56.190 --> 00:38:58.860
quarter of a billion people know
about truth, freedom and health.

636
00:38:59.490 --> 00:39:04.410
And how did all this come is
because in 2017, when I decided

637
00:39:04.410 --> 00:39:10.110
to 1007, when I finished my PhD,
I went back to MIT. And I have a

638
00:39:10.110 --> 00:39:12.420
deep interest in traditional
systems of Indian medicine, I

639
00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:15.360
was able to integrate
engineering systems theory,

640
00:39:15.390 --> 00:39:18.930
traditional medicines, and
literally tease out these nine

641
00:39:18.930 --> 00:39:21.450
principles of all systems. And
that is

642
00:39:21.450 --> 00:39:24.120
because the nine principles,
you've mentioned that twice I'm

643
00:39:24.120 --> 00:39:25.410
very curious. Yeah, it's

644
00:39:25.410 --> 00:39:27.930
input. Every system has an
input, every system has an

645
00:39:27.930 --> 00:39:31.320
output. Every system has a
movement of information, matter

646
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.900
and energy, which is called
transport. Every system in

647
00:39:33.900 --> 00:39:36.780
universe converts information,
matter and energy from one form

648
00:39:36.780 --> 00:39:39.270
to another. That's called
conversion. And then every

649
00:39:39.270 --> 00:39:42.930
system has structure to contain
all of this, which is called

650
00:39:42.930 --> 00:39:46.350
storage. Now, Intelligent
Systems those are the five

651
00:39:46.350 --> 00:39:49.800
systems have four more
components, a goal where they

652
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:54.390
want to go sensors to observe
are they going to that goal, and

653
00:39:54.390 --> 00:39:58.080
a controller which helps people
have the intelligence to change

654
00:39:58.080 --> 00:40:01.830
the inputs to achieve that goal.
And then the last ninth one is

655
00:40:01.830 --> 00:40:04.800
disturbances. So once you
understand these nine

656
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.080
principles, you can understand
your body's system, you can

657
00:40:07.080 --> 00:40:09.780
understand politics, you can
mention every system in the

658
00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:14.670
universe. So in three hours I've
packaged into a course. And then

659
00:40:14.670 --> 00:40:17.850
what we've done is we give all
the books that I've written,

660
00:40:17.970 --> 00:40:21.300
then we give an entire community
of volunteers who will support

661
00:40:21.300 --> 00:40:25.290
and train you. And then we give
one on ones with me, which we do

662
00:40:25.290 --> 00:40:31.230
every Thursday nights at 11am,
ESP and an 8pm, mornings nights.

663
00:40:31.710 --> 00:40:35.610
And then we have tools we've
created independent of big tech.

664
00:40:35.610 --> 00:40:38.190
So people can have a community,
we've created an independent

665
00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:40.920
tool, independent of Twitter,
independent of Facebook, and

666
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.680
independent of YouTube, three
different tools. And then we

667
00:40:43.680 --> 00:40:47.940
give people tools that they can
go educate their neighbors,

668
00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:52.680
activism tools. So it's a
complete system. And this is a

669
00:40:52.680 --> 00:40:56.970
way that we're going to really
win by going beyond left and

670
00:40:56.970 --> 00:40:59.340
right, because when you look at
any problem, it's not left wing

671
00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:03.000
or right wing, there's a real
solution, once you identify the

672
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:07.350
real problem. So truth for them
help, I believe, is a phenomenal

673
00:41:07.350 --> 00:41:10.710
innovation as big as email or
anything else. But it is a

674
00:41:10.710 --> 00:41:14.610
system of knowledge and
learning. So people go to truth

675
00:41:14.610 --> 00:41:17.070
and health.com They'll see it.
But how did that come about was

676
00:41:17.070 --> 00:41:21.510
I realized that when I ran in
2018, we first ran against

677
00:41:21.510 --> 00:41:25.200
Elizabeth Warren, for US Senate.
Our slogan was only the real

678
00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:28.140
Indian can defeat the fake
Indiana was to expose the lack

679
00:41:28.140 --> 00:41:30.480
of integrity is a great thing.
The Republican Party in

680
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:34.230
Massachusetts is a bunch of is a
joke. They're basically the a

681
00:41:34.230 --> 00:41:37.650
wing of the Democratic Party.
And they you would think they

682
00:41:37.650 --> 00:41:41.220
would want someone like me to
run but they had an idiot who

683
00:41:41.220 --> 00:41:45.930
ran, who had basically, you had
never held really any job, a

684
00:41:45.930 --> 00:41:48.690
failed sign salesman. And so we
decide to run as independents.

685
00:41:48.720 --> 00:41:51.120
And then in 2020, we decided,
okay, give the Republicans a

686
00:41:51.120 --> 00:41:53.640
chance. So my dogs in the back.

687
00:41:54.299 --> 00:41:57.479
I was gonna mention you have
counted to so far.

688
00:41:58.560 --> 00:42:01.830
Yeah. So they're actually Native
American Indian dogs. We got

689
00:42:01.830 --> 00:42:03.660
them during the Elizabeth
Warren. They're

690
00:42:03.660 --> 00:42:06.840
beautiful. Yeah, yeah. So
anyway, tail going past

691
00:42:07.950 --> 00:42:12.420
2020, we ran as Republicans on
the slogan of truth, freedom and

692
00:42:12.420 --> 00:42:14.730
health. Without freedom. You
can't get the truth to that

693
00:42:15.030 --> 00:42:17.580
truth. You can't find out what's
health. Without health. You

694
00:42:17.580 --> 00:42:20.610
can't get to really understand.
You can't fight for freedom or

695
00:42:20.610 --> 00:42:23.610
truth anyway. Yeah, healthy, you
can't fight. Exactly. And that

696
00:42:23.610 --> 00:42:26.970
campaign garnered 3000
volunteers on the ground, we

697
00:42:26.970 --> 00:42:31.590
were everywhere. The Republican
Party in the primaries was so

698
00:42:31.590 --> 00:42:35.550
afraid of me, they ran an idiot,
another idiot, who had made the

699
00:42:35.550 --> 00:42:40.470
one lawn sign up, we had close
to 25,000, lawn signs had raised

700
00:42:40.470 --> 00:42:44.160
$2 million in a primary, which
is unheard of from all over, all

701
00:42:44.160 --> 00:42:49.890
over the country. So on the
night of the September 2020

702
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.340
election, what we find is
everyone said Dr. Shiva won by a

703
00:42:53.370 --> 00:42:58.050
landslide, we win hands down in
the only county where it's all

704
00:42:58.050 --> 00:43:03.450
hand counted paper ballots.
Every other county, we lose

705
00:43:03.660 --> 00:43:09.870
6040 6040 6040 6040 Were all of
their machines tabulated. And so

706
00:43:09.930 --> 00:43:13.950
I went on Twitter, and I posted
I said, I went to the Secretary

707
00:43:13.950 --> 00:43:17.460
of State and I said, I want the
ballot images. In the machines,

708
00:43:17.490 --> 00:43:21.630
images are created when a paper
ballot goes through. And

709
00:43:21.630 --> 00:43:25.140
according to federal law for a
federal election, all data in

710
00:43:25.140 --> 00:43:27.150
connection with a federal
election is supposed to be

711
00:43:27.150 --> 00:43:29.220
preserved for 22 months, I asked
for the ballot. And,

712
00:43:29.550 --> 00:43:32.280
you know, I just want to add
something. The reason it's

713
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:36.570
preserved for 22 months is so
any citizen, whether they're a

714
00:43:36.570 --> 00:43:41.100
candidate or not, can go back
and check to make sure the yes

715
00:43:41.130 --> 00:43:45.930
and that that and that law was
put in there by Democrats 50

716
00:43:45.930 --> 00:43:48.960
years ago, because they want it
to be able to audit in elections

717
00:43:48.990 --> 00:43:53.130
encouraged. Anyway. So the
Secretary of State's office said

718
00:43:53.130 --> 00:43:56.070
they deleted the ballot images.
So on Twitter, I said

719
00:43:56.100 --> 00:44:00.030
Massachusetts deleted 1 million
ballots, dash valid images,

720
00:44:00.210 --> 00:44:02.340
because the ballot images are
the ballots because that's

721
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:06.810
what's actually reviewed today,
right? Yes, immediately. I am.

722
00:44:07.200 --> 00:44:10.350
I've never been. I've been on
Twitter since 2007. I'm thrown

723
00:44:10.350 --> 00:44:14.730
off Twitter suspended. I went
into federal court and these

724
00:44:14.730 --> 00:44:18.810
fake fact checking organizations
did me a service in some ways.

725
00:44:18.810 --> 00:44:21.930
They said oh, doctor, she was
lying. No ballots were deleted.

726
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.080
I never said ballots it I said
valid images. And in that

727
00:44:25.080 --> 00:44:27.390
article, they said they had
spoken to the Secretary of State

728
00:44:27.390 --> 00:44:32.550
of Massachusetts, and the
secretary's office had said that

729
00:44:32.550 --> 00:44:39.990
they had contacted Twitter.
Government had contacted this is

730
00:44:39.990 --> 00:44:44.190
in 2020 to throw off a US Senate
federal campaign and I was my

731
00:44:44.190 --> 00:44:47.040
election I moved to a write in
campaign so I'm still a bonafide

732
00:44:47.370 --> 00:44:50.640
in the general election. So I
went into federal court, no

733
00:44:50.640 --> 00:44:54.150
lawyer, Massachusetts, they're
all unit ever right? They didn't

734
00:44:54.150 --> 00:44:57.960
want to take this I did it
myself file my own briefs, got a

735
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.540
preliminary injunction hearing
which is unheard of Have with a

736
00:45:00.540 --> 00:45:05.220
federal judge. And in that
hearing, we cross examine the

737
00:45:05.220 --> 00:45:10.200
social media director. And she
admits that she contacted

738
00:45:10.200 --> 00:45:12.900
Twitter and the judge says, How
did you do this? We have a

739
00:45:12.900 --> 00:45:18.330
special portal. Government has a
VIP portal to Twitter and

740
00:45:18.330 --> 00:45:22.650
Facebook. They can launder
censorship. So they call Twitter

741
00:45:22.770 --> 00:45:25.080
Twitter does a dirty work and
they can tell we had nothing to

742
00:45:25.080 --> 00:45:27.420
do with it. They did it. Like
came up with the term

743
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:31.020
laundering, censorship. Anyway,
big victory on October 30. The

744
00:45:31.020 --> 00:45:35.430
judge rules in my favor. He said
this is he tells the Secretary

745
00:45:35.430 --> 00:45:39.000
of State you will no longer
contact Twitter. We told Tucker

746
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.300
Carlson about this I have the
email Tucker did nothing because

747
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:46.470
he's the master grifter. He's a
complete scumbag. of zero he did

748
00:45:46.470 --> 00:45:46.980
zero

749
00:45:47.130 --> 00:45:50.580
Yeah. Very interesting. They're
they've turned into a very

750
00:45:50.580 --> 00:45:51.090
interesting

751
00:45:51.120 --> 00:45:53.670
they've always been that they
want their entertainment. They

752
00:45:53.670 --> 00:45:56.940
will never tell the truth. They
will only tell the truth. If it

753
00:45:56.940 --> 00:46:00.000
spurs the left right narrative.
You see the dialectic that's

754
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:03.120
what these guys are about. These
people are entertainers.

755
00:46:03.150 --> 00:46:06.750
Yeah, they want to be popular.
Going against them but they

756
00:46:06.750 --> 00:46:07.680
don't really do.

757
00:46:08.310 --> 00:46:12.090
You had important thing and
telling the truth is okay fire

758
00:46:12.090 --> 00:46:16.020
comes burns out a building. You
were there. But you tell the

759
00:46:16.020 --> 00:46:20.100
truth two years later, you tell
it when it needs to be done. You

760
00:46:20.100 --> 00:46:24.180
know, Alan McDonald, the
engineer, he told the truth at

761
00:46:24.180 --> 00:46:29.370
the right time he was a engineer
who would not sign off on the O

762
00:46:29.370 --> 00:46:33.960
rings for the space shuttle. He
took a principled stand. He died

763
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.420
a couple years ago. He said the
most important thing in life is

764
00:46:36.420 --> 00:46:41.070
to say the right thing at the
right time. These Grifters

765
00:46:41.100 --> 00:46:45.000
Tucker Carlson being a master
scumbag grifter watches which

766
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.580
way the wind blows doesn't say
anything against Hunter Biden,

767
00:46:47.580 --> 00:46:49.830
because I'm an Hunter Biden are
buddies. Oh, I didn't know that.

768
00:46:50.040 --> 00:46:50.640
Oh, yeah, he

769
00:46:50.640 --> 00:46:53.580
had Hunter Biden, right is signs
commendation letter. These guys

770
00:46:53.580 --> 00:46:58.920
are all one Michelle. They're
all one class of people. So the

771
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:02.280
issue is, we Tucker didn't do
anything. No media covered it

772
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.680
except some small alternative
media. This was the most

773
00:47:04.680 --> 00:47:09.720
important lawsuit, because here
we are exposing that government

774
00:47:10.110 --> 00:47:14.130
is in an unholy alliance with
big tech, you say? It's not big

775
00:47:14.130 --> 00:47:14.400
tech

776
00:47:14.850 --> 00:47:18.930
Batphone. They've got the
backbone, people or at least in

777
00:47:18.930 --> 00:47:22.080
Russia and China, they're very
straightforward. Yes.

778
00:47:23.370 --> 00:47:27.270
We're one, the government and
the companies are one. It's

779
00:47:27.270 --> 00:47:31.560
really state capitalism. In the
US, we have this fake Chinese

780
00:47:31.560 --> 00:47:36.000
wall. It's an illusion. It's a
revolving door. Right. So we

781
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:40.200
expose that, and then I got
thrown off. So I go back on

782
00:47:40.200 --> 00:47:45.510
Twitter. And on February 1, I
once again shared my email

783
00:47:45.510 --> 00:47:48.900
communications, which I've done
before, with the Secretary of

784
00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:53.040
State where she's admitting that
they deleted the ballot images.

785
00:47:53.070 --> 00:47:56.610
And this time, I'm thrown off
permanently. He went back into

786
00:47:56.640 --> 00:48:01.170
federal court, again, with five
six claims, saying not only

787
00:48:01.170 --> 00:48:04.320
that, I want to be put back on
Twitter, but I would I want to

788
00:48:04.350 --> 00:48:09.330
the individual Secretary State
the lawyer to be personally

789
00:48:09.330 --> 00:48:12.420
liable. It's called piercing the
veil of qualified immunity. And

790
00:48:12.420 --> 00:48:16.650
I had all the case law to do
that. So anyway, the judge is

791
00:48:16.650 --> 00:48:20.730
appalled. I found these
documents which people go to win

792
00:48:20.730 --> 00:48:24.450
back freedom.com. And they can
find, which shows that there are

793
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.260
actual manuals, which were
crafted at Harvard, back by the

794
00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:32.370
Atlantic Council, which is
called the influence operations

795
00:48:32.370 --> 00:48:37.290
documents a step by step manual
of how you will identify any US

796
00:48:37.290 --> 00:48:40.680
citizen who says anything
against election officials, how

797
00:48:40.680 --> 00:48:45.660
they'll be put on a watch list,
and how they will be tracked and

798
00:48:45.660 --> 00:48:49.290
censored. The actual document.
The judges have Paul, this is a

799
00:48:49.290 --> 00:48:52.260
federal judge was appointed by
Reagan. He goes this lawsuit

800
00:48:52.260 --> 00:48:55.500
will be taught in every law
school exam, Harvard educated

801
00:48:55.650 --> 00:48:59.220
somebody, you're a lawyer. After
that he appoints me a

802
00:48:59.220 --> 00:49:00.330
constitutional lawyer.

803
00:49:02.130 --> 00:49:05.910
So they read and now he says, I
want to bring Twitter into this

804
00:49:05.910 --> 00:49:08.580
lawsuit. So it's now me against
seven lawyers.

805
00:49:10.110 --> 00:49:10.860
And

806
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.700
he then appointed me another
judge, and another sorry,

807
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:18.840
another lawyer to help me. So I
will strengthen the case, if it

808
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:24.330
gets appealed. And that case was
set for June or July. This

809
00:49:24.330 --> 00:49:27.330
lawyer who comes on at the last
minute, three days before my

810
00:49:27.330 --> 00:49:30.930
next hearing says, Why don't you
just drop all the other claims,

811
00:49:30.930 --> 00:49:33.480
just get back on Twitter, and
you'll be seen as a great hero,

812
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.870
the first guy put back on
Twitter by a federal judge. So

813
00:49:36.870 --> 00:49:41.340
he wanted me to compromise. Just
get back on Twitter be happy,

814
00:49:41.910 --> 00:49:45.090
but not go after these
individuals. When I had

815
00:49:45.090 --> 00:49:48.810
discovered all the case law and
the evidence, I said no, I had

816
00:49:48.810 --> 00:49:53.310
to fire him three days before. I
had to do all like hundreds of

817
00:49:53.310 --> 00:49:56.490
pages of briefs before this time
the judge gets upset with me,

818
00:49:57.120 --> 00:50:00.630
because the judge wanted to
toast his martini and say, Look,

819
00:50:00.630 --> 00:50:03.780
we put back the guy on Twitter,
the Constitution is okay wanted

820
00:50:03.780 --> 00:50:06.300
to let all these election
officials off the hook. And I

821
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:08.910
was unwilling to do that. And
that's precisely what Alex

822
00:50:08.910 --> 00:50:13.740
Berenson just did. He got back
on Twitter on the vaccine issue,

823
00:50:13.740 --> 00:50:16.950
but see, my lawsuit is much more
powerful because it's about

824
00:50:16.950 --> 00:50:21.270
relating censorship to
elections. Exactly. It's a

825
00:50:21.390 --> 00:50:24.930
Tucker Carlson did a whole thing
on that lawsuit that

826
00:50:24.930 --> 00:50:27.540
conveniently forgot. Two years
later, he said, if you had done

827
00:50:27.540 --> 00:50:29.910
this two years later, we could
have stopped a lot of the

828
00:50:29.910 --> 00:50:33.180
election systems issues. So
that's why Tucker Carlson is a

829
00:50:33.180 --> 00:50:35.520
complete scumbag of the First
Order.

830
00:50:36.810 --> 00:50:37.890
Tucker is gonna hear this.

831
00:50:39.180 --> 00:50:43.590
I don't care. He's a complete
scumbag. He's grifter. Oh, this

832
00:50:43.590 --> 00:50:44.610
is a master grifter,

833
00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:48.840
for every American right now to
realize where we're at in the

834
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:53.010
country. Because if an
individual who just taking

835
00:50:53.010 --> 00:50:57.240
yourself for instance, who isn't
inventor, can be then ridiculed

836
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.600
by large corporations to try to
get you to say you're not so

837
00:51:00.600 --> 00:51:03.990
they can continue the money
flow, or they can censor you,

838
00:51:03.990 --> 00:51:08.520
you know, candidate and the
election is again, stolen. And

839
00:51:08.520 --> 00:51:12.600
then conveniently the way to
count it is now missing, or

840
00:51:12.600 --> 00:51:13.410
deleted

841
00:51:13.890 --> 00:51:16.920
images. And then when you share
the facts about the ballot

842
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:20.370
images being deleted, then
you're thrown off Twitter. And

843
00:51:20.370 --> 00:51:23.280
then when you show the unholy
alliance between government,

844
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.130
Twitter, then by the way, the
judge sealed my lawsuit.

845
00:51:27.660 --> 00:51:30.510
Now, so no one can see it. What,

846
00:51:30.990 --> 00:51:33.960
what I did was he wanted me to
only file it with that one

847
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.930
claim, I did it and I said, you
know, I'm walking away. I don't

848
00:51:36.930 --> 00:51:40.350
just want to be on Twitter. So
you guys can say Dr. Shiva

849
00:51:40.500 --> 00:51:42.990
should be happy. I didn't want
to settle in that way. I'd

850
00:51:42.990 --> 00:51:46.680
rather take my principal stand.
I wanted, I didn't want to give

851
00:51:46.680 --> 00:51:51.120
him their quote unquote, victory
by just putting back the darky

852
00:51:51.120 --> 00:51:53.130
back on Twitter, you know,
wanted to say, Oh, this guy

853
00:51:53.130 --> 00:51:55.290
should be happy that he's back
on Twitter, right? They don't

854
00:51:55.290 --> 00:51:59.370
want to reveal the biggest
issues because one is individual

855
00:51:59.370 --> 00:52:02.430
freedom. Another issue that
scares him is collect individual

856
00:52:02.430 --> 00:52:06.960
freedom being exercised
collectively by people. Yeah,

857
00:52:08.250 --> 00:52:12.480
exactly. Everyone knows that we
all have the right by our

858
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:16.320
Constitution, we all have to
simply go by that constitution.

859
00:52:17.100 --> 00:52:21.780
Bowing down and allowing people
to say, That's what how we got

860
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:24.270
in trouble in the first place.
That's called corruption. Hey,

861
00:52:24.270 --> 00:52:28.830
John. Yeah, don't do this paid
off and be happy and go away?

862
00:52:29.040 --> 00:52:33.750
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that CO
stars are leaving. Yeah,

863
00:52:33.750 --> 00:52:37.110
they're. They're quite there.

864
00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:41.070
Anyway, I think this is
valuable. But I think the

865
00:52:41.100 --> 00:52:45.960
solution to this, the reason I
was able to expose sort of

866
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.230
unquote pandemic expose the
unholy alliance between

867
00:52:49.230 --> 00:52:54.120
government and Twitter, all
these things, is because I'm

868
00:52:54.120 --> 00:52:57.540
trained in system science. So
truth, freedom health.com, we

869
00:52:57.540 --> 00:52:59.910
want to change that we want to
train millions of people in the

870
00:52:59.910 --> 00:53:03.090
knowledge science of systems.
Because once you train people in

871
00:53:03.090 --> 00:53:06.300
that and you give them a
community, the only way to win

872
00:53:06.330 --> 00:53:09.180
is people have to learn the
science of systems. Yes,

873
00:53:09.210 --> 00:53:11.670
otherwise, people will get
caught into the left wing or the

874
00:53:11.670 --> 00:53:15.810
right wing, or they become pro
and anti. Or they become

875
00:53:15.810 --> 00:53:17.790
desperate and you take a gun and
want to shoot people do

876
00:53:17.790 --> 00:53:21.810
terrorism, and any one of those
four buckets left to right,

877
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.650
complacency or desperation those
in power want people to be in

878
00:53:25.650 --> 00:53:28.320
one of those four buckets. They
don't want people to think

879
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.560
beyond left and right beyond Pro
and anti actually see things as

880
00:53:31.560 --> 00:53:32.790
they are. So

881
00:53:33.090 --> 00:53:37.860
wrap it up throughout history.
Divide and Conquer has been a

882
00:53:37.860 --> 00:53:38.250
very

883
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:41.010
brought to you by the British
Empire. Yes. Yeah.

884
00:53:41.070 --> 00:53:43.380
And it just seems like that's
what's in play right now.

885
00:53:43.680 --> 00:53:44.100
Because

886
00:53:44.130 --> 00:53:47.220
it's divide, conquer. And
there's two more buckets make

887
00:53:47.220 --> 00:53:50.160
you desperate. So you become a
terrorist and you do terrorist

888
00:53:50.160 --> 00:53:53.580
actions, not collectively
organizing bottoms up. Or you

889
00:53:53.580 --> 00:53:56.550
say I'm just gonna go live off
the grid. Any one of those four

890
00:53:56.550 --> 00:53:59.550
they're happy with because
you're out of their way. The

891
00:53:59.550 --> 00:54:02.070
left and right they love because
you can manipulate people one

892
00:54:02.070 --> 00:54:05.460
day you pay Tucker one day you
play someone on CNN one day you

893
00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:08.340
play Alex Jones, you don't
people all riled up and then you

894
00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:11.040
play Joe Rogan, who'll go left
and right. He's all over the

895
00:54:11.040 --> 00:54:14.880
map. It's all entertainment. WWE
entertainment,

896
00:54:15.450 --> 00:54:19.920
controlled opposition, right?
Yep. Dr. Shiva, this has just

897
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.310
been extraordinary. Tell us
where people can go to learn

898
00:54:23.310 --> 00:54:26.220
more about you and to follow
their follow your work,

899
00:54:26.370 --> 00:54:32.970
to websites va shiva.com, Victor
alpha shiva.com. And I want to

900
00:54:32.970 --> 00:54:35.940
encourage everyone to become
truth, freedom and health, what

901
00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:39.810
we call warrior scholars, and
you can contribute their truth

902
00:54:39.810 --> 00:54:44.190
freedom health.com The way we do
it is you contribute and we give

903
00:54:44.190 --> 00:54:47.640
you gifts of knowledge. send
anyone who goes through the

904
00:54:47.640 --> 00:54:51.270
course and passes at any adult.
You can give the course as many

905
00:54:51.270 --> 00:54:54.960
young people as you want. 13
through 18, a former mentor of

906
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:58.290
mine, who's known as a father of
system dynamics, Jay Forrester,

907
00:54:58.290 --> 00:55:01.800
he just died at 99 You He felt
that every child should learn

908
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.560
the science of systems. So I'm
falling through on his sort of

909
00:55:04.560 --> 00:55:08.550
vision. And so that's what we've
made accessible. But if we don't

910
00:55:08.550 --> 00:55:11.580
learn the science of systems,
George Soros is one of the

911
00:55:11.580 --> 00:55:14.520
theoreticians in the science of
systems. The science of systems

912
00:55:14.520 --> 00:55:18.570
is like a knife. You can use it,
like a criminal can to kill

913
00:55:18.570 --> 00:55:21.570
people, or you can use it as a
surgeon to heal people. Right

914
00:55:21.570 --> 00:55:24.600
now we have about 10,000 people
learn the science of systems.

915
00:55:25.080 --> 00:55:27.300
And they're the ones using it to
manipulate, subjugate and

916
00:55:27.300 --> 00:55:30.240
enslave people. So guys, like
me, we're supposed to learn that

917
00:55:30.240 --> 00:55:33.750
science and stay in those elite
institutions, part of the part

918
00:55:33.750 --> 00:55:36.930
of that, right, right. And what
I've done is sort of betrayed

919
00:55:36.930 --> 00:55:40.740
them. And taking this knowledge.
It's like Prometheus bringing

920
00:55:40.740 --> 00:55:43.980
the fire. And that's what the
science of systems is. So it's

921
00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:45.870
really up to people. Do they
want to have self respect for

922
00:55:45.870 --> 00:55:49.050
themselves? Do they want to be
accountable? Or do they want to

923
00:55:49.050 --> 00:55:52.020
follow Donald Trump one day and
Tucker Carlson another day, and

924
00:55:52.020 --> 00:55:55.650
Joe Biden and other day, etc,
you know, this left, right,

925
00:55:55.710 --> 00:55:58.260
either you're following an
imbecile which is a politician

926
00:55:58.260 --> 00:56:01.380
or an entertainer like Trump,
right? Because none of these

927
00:56:01.380 --> 00:56:03.570
guys do what needs to be done at
the time.

928
00:56:04.410 --> 00:56:07.740
You know, next time we come on
the show, I really when you come

929
00:56:07.740 --> 00:56:12.090
on, I want to go into the swamp
that is Washington, DC, because

930
00:56:12.090 --> 00:56:16.290
I know you know, a lot. And
yeah, we'll do that. Yeah,

931
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.740
fascinating. And Dr. Shiva,
thank you so much for coming.

932
00:56:19.740 --> 00:56:24.210
Welcome. So today, engineer,
scientist, author, inventor,

933
00:56:24.270 --> 00:56:28.260
entrepreneur, and a warrior on
behalf of the United States

934
00:56:28.260 --> 00:56:29.340
Constitution. And

935
00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:31.680
everyone should remember the man
who invented email

936
00:56:31.710 --> 00:56:33.900
and the man who invented email.

937
00:56:35.940 --> 00:56:38.250
Yeah, and the boy who invented
email, because it's a very

938
00:56:38.250 --> 00:56:41.760
important American story. Yes,
that every American child should

939
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:42.060
know.

940
00:56:42.240 --> 00:56:45.870
Yes. And we all congratulate
that 14 year old boy.

941
00:56:46.410 --> 00:56:47.130
Thanks, Michelle.